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真品狙擊鏡美國寄出問題

真品狙擊鏡美國寄出問題

小弟我最近看上美國一隻vortex的鏡子
上ebay查詢後發現有些賣家可以international shipping to Taiwan但有些不行
http://www.ebay.com/itm/232019405716

關於美國出口政策我有去了解
http://www.opticsplanet.com/export.html

有看到說夜視鏡 內紅點或IR和軍用狙擊鏡之類的才有限制
還是想請問我這款獵的在寄出美國海關/進入台灣海關時會不會有問題
若寄出美國被攔下 我可以請ebay要求退款嗎?
P.S 若成功寄入了 一隻鏡子10000 關稅會扣掉多少呢?

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Vast majority of sellers on E-Bay may not be familiar with ITAR or EAR export restrictions.  So, finding an E-Bay seller willing to ship it to Taiwan does not mean it is legal to do so.  If caught, both the buyer and the seller are violating US laws.  We may not seek your extradition to the U.S. to face charges, but we may enter you onto a persona non-grata list, making your future international travels difficult.  And no, you probably won't get your money back - that becomes evidence of a crime.

大多數 E-bay 賣家可能不熟悉 ITAR 或 EAR 出口限制。 所以,找到一個 E-bay 賣家願意將它運到台灣,並不意味著這樣做是合法的。 如果被抓了,無論是買方和賣方都是違反了美國法律。我們可能不會徵求引渡你到美國受審,但我們可能會把你入到一個非不受歡迎名單,讓你的未來國際旅行困難。 你可能不會得到你的錢回來 - 因為它成為犯罪的證據。
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原帖由 ss0010311 於 2016-8-10 01:04 發表 有看到說夜視鏡 內紅點或IR和軍用狙擊鏡之類的才有限制
Did you get this opinion from a lawyer?  ITAR and EAR regulations are very complex, most export companies have a group of lawyers dealing with them.  "I read this on the internet" is about as good of a defense as "my dog ate my homework."  

哪個律師告訴你的? ITAR 和 EAR 法規非常複雜,多數出口企業擁有一批與他們打交道的律師。 “我在網上看讀到這” 是一個像 “我的狗吃了我的功課" 一樣好的辯護。

[ 本帖最後由 Code3Cover 於 2016-8-10 07:23 編輯 ]
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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ITAR 的規條很麻煩,能不碰最好不要碰.
要是本地店家有的最好在本地買,那貴一點點的售價當作是免了ITAR還有運費等等的麻煩.

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原帖由 Code3Cover 於 2016-8-10 07:15 發表
Vast majority of sellers on E-Bay may not be familiar with ITAR or EAR export restrictions.  So, finding an E-Bay seller willing to ship it to Taiwan does not mean it is legal to do so.  If caught, bo ...
about this question i was asking an ebay seller:
It all comes down to certain models we have listed cannot be exported and certain scopes can. Some manufacturers are stricter than others regarding which scopes they allow to be exported. Mind you, we also have to follow eBay's guide

He told me there are certain scopes which can export and which can not

[ 本帖最後由 ss0010311 於 2016-8-11 13:33 編輯 ]

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原帖由 ss0010311 於 2016-8-10 12:32 發表


關於這個我有去問這一位ebay賣家
It all comes down to certain models we have listed cannot be exported and certain scopes can. Some manufacturers are stricter than others regarding which scopes they a ...
Neither the manufacturer nor E-bay has any control over ITAR or EAR enforcement.  
ITAR and EAR do not prohibit export, they restrict export without federal permits (which are difficult and expensive to obtain).  Some manufacturers play it safe and refuse to export anything that might be controlled under ITAR or EAR and instruct their resellers not to export their products. Some manufacturers leave it up to the reseller/shipper/buyer to comply with ITAR/EAR.  So, a manufacturer's willingness to allow its products to be exported does not automatically mean their products are not restricted under ITAR/EAR.  It is the seller and your responsibility to make sure you are in compliance and obtain any required permits, because you and the sellers will be the one prosecuted if the export turns out to be restricted.  Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. And like I said, many ebay sellers do not understand ITAR/EAR.  E-bay policy is meaningless when it comes to federal crime violations.  Individual sellers and buyers are the ones at risk.

Yes, the chances of individual restricted items being caught is slim.  But that doesn't mean the chance of being caught is zero.  And the consequences being caught is quite severe.  All I am saying is be careful and think about if it is worth the risk.  

無論是製造商還是ebay都無法控制 ITAR 或 EAR 執行。
ITAR 和 EAR並不禁止出口,他們限制控制項目需要聯邦許可證(困難和昂貴獲得)才能出口。有的廠家謹慎行事,拒絕出口任何可能被ITAR 或 EAR 控制的產品, 和指示他們的經銷商不出口自己的產品。有 些廠家把責任留給經銷商/托運人/買家來遵守 ITAR/EAR。因此,製造商的允許其產品出口並不自動意味著他們的產品沒有在 ITAR/EAR限制。 這是賣方和你的責任來遵守取得任何所需的許可證,因為最終是你和賣家將必須承擔法律責任,如果出口產品原來受到限制。對法律的無知不是藉口。就像我說的,很多eBay賣家不明白 ITAR/EAR。 Ebay 的規則是沒有意義的,當涉及到聯邦的犯罪行為。個人賣家和買家是最終有風險的人。

是的,被抓單個限制項目的可能性不大。但是,這並不意味著被抓的機率是零。 被抓的後果是相當嚴重。我要說的是要小心,想想它是否值得冒這個險。
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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now i use optics planet this webside
they told me if i buy the scopes which can not be exported(ITAR or something),they will refund the money
i think that is the most safest way if i want to buy a riflescope

[ 本帖最後由 ss0010311 於 2016-8-11 13:30 編輯 ]

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移民到美國
問題就通通解決了
Newsoar

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原帖由 newsoar 於 2016-8-11 14:05 發表
移民到美國
問題就通通解決了
哈哈哈移民美國不簡單捏
不然我也很想去

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原帖由 ss0010311 於 2016-8-11 12:30 發表
now i use optics planet this webside
they told me if i buy the scopes which can not be exported(ITAR or something),they will refund the money
i think that is the most safest way if i want to buy a rifl ...
Yes, Opticsplanet.com is a reputable site.
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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原帖由 Code3Cover 於 2016-8-12 06:05 發表


Yes, Opticsplanet.com is a reputable site.
But there is a defect in opticsplanet
i cann't bid or buy with any discounted price
that means i have to pay more money than ebay or amazon

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Ebay寄國際真的比較麻煩,出個意外就得不償失了,是我的話會請朋友托帶。

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原帖由 Yase503 於 2018-10-4 03:45 發表
Ebay寄國際真的比較麻煩,出個意外就得不償失了,是我的話會請朋友托帶。
So, what you are saying is, you are willing to risk your friend being arrested at the airport for illegally exporting a restricted item.   

所以,你所說的是,你願意讓你的朋友冒險在機場因非法出口限制物品而被捕。
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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原帖由 Code3Cover 於 2018-10-4 07:44 發表


So, what you are saying is, you are willing to risk your friend being arrested at the airport for illegally exporting a restricted item.   

所以,你所說的是,你願意讓你的朋友冒險在機場因非法出口限制物品而被捕。
台灣有一句俗諺說,『死道友不死貧道』,正是這種狀況。


In Taiwan, a word often said is "A friend dies without I dies"
買槍不PO文,此風不可長

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原帖由 a843433 於 2018-10-4 16:49 發表



台灣有一句俗諺說,『死道友不死貧道』,正是這種狀況。


In Taiwan, a word often said is "A friend dies without I dies"
We also have a saying, "with friends like you, who needs enemies?"

我們也有一種說法,“有你這樣的朋友,誰需要敵人?”
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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力富有代理,年底MOA說不定會有展出甚至打折,也有不少店家有賣,為何要冒風險呢?差的那一點錢不一定值得,還是Vortex有產地問題?多少趴零件美國製造組裝啥的這我就不懂了...觀看蓋樓

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