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(閒聊)有人對二戰步兵小隊戰術有興趣嗎

(閒聊)有人對二戰步兵小隊戰術有興趣嗎

https://youtu.be/-rKRt5zVZgw

上次看到這個影片對二戰德軍步兵班戰術有很不錯的解說,不過我去翻了一些美軍訓練手冊之後,發現好像找不太到連級以下編制的教範。裝甲也是,只找到戰車排戰術手冊。不知道是美國比較不著重小單位的戰術嗎?

另外,聽有人說美國陸軍是以A(偵查)小組(兩人,M1步槍*2)、B小組(四人,BAR*1+M1步槍*3)、C小組(M1步槍*4-其一發射槍榴彈)共三個伍與班長(M1A1SMG)和精準射手(M1903A4)共12人所組成。有點懷疑當時陸軍就有"伍"或是"班級精準射手"那樣先進的概念嗎?

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http://www.ww2f.com/topic/19462- ... antry-squadplatoon/

講美軍,當然是英文的

"On paper the Rifle Squad was 7 Riflemen with Garands, Squad and Assistant Leader carried M1s as well, the Automatic Rifleman had a BAR and the Assistant Auto Rifleman had a M1, and the Ammo bearer had a M1.

On paper M1s were standard issue. But the NCOs usually had a SMG or carbine for the close range fights. There is no real standard for the TOE for the rifle squad. But Garands were definaltly the main weapon.




Personally i dont like the BAR. Which is why my mod is going towards the Airborne. Their loadout was very good. They refused to use the BAR because they needed more firepower and felt it lacked it.
1 Squad Leader(SSgt)-------M1 Garand Rifle, or Thompson SMG
1 Assistant Leader(Sgt)------M1 Garand Rifle, Carbine, or SMG
7 Riflemen ------------------M1 Garand Rifles and (2 max) Carbines
1 Machine Gunner-----------M1919A4/6, and a Carbine
1 Assistant Gunner----------M1 Carbine
1 Ammo bearer---------M1 Garand Rifle
That is the closest thing to a standard Airborne Rifle squad. Again they varied, but with the weapons show in that table. Platoon HQ had the 1st and 2nd Lieutenants carrying Carbines or SMGs, and the Platoon Sergeant and Guide had Rifles and Carbines. I read about the loadout of a squad for a certain mission, they had all SMGs and carbines with 2 Garands. So the loadout could be taylored for any mission. What i read was for a very close urban mission."






"Early in World War 2 the US Army had millions of 1903 Springfield. So a squad would have 10 1903 Springfield, 1 or 2 Thompson machine gun and or a BAR.
As production of the M-1 Garand picked up it replaced the 1903 in the US Army first and then the US Marines. A late war squad would look like this, 1 BAR, 1 1903 Springfield Rifle, and 10 M-1 Garand Rifles. Some squads might have 1 Thompson or a M-3 sub machine gun."
雷公

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原帖由 ca1903 於 2016-11-27 07:56 發表
http://www.ww2f.com/topic/19462- ... antry-squadplatoon/

講美軍,當然是英文的

"On paper the Rifle Squad was 7 Riflemen with Garands, Squad and Assistant Leader carried M1s as well,  ...
非常有趣,而且插圖似乎來自field mannuel?希望有提到參考書目來源。照看這個也許是目前我看過最可靠的說法,不過是不是在二戰期間各時期會有所出入?

不過傘兵編制也滿令我疑惑的,班用輕機槍在M1919A6之前我只有聽說是M1919A1,更別說重機槍應該不會用在班編制上。另外,在一些論壇留言中看到這樣的說法:"My grandfather was a platoon leader in the 101st airborne.  He told me he would go with a BAR man he trusted and the two of them would scout and sometimes engage the Germans.  He told me he left the other guys behind because they were too noisy and the two of them were the best shots.  The two of them captured 17 Germans in Holland and killed two dozen in a similar situation at Bastogne after they heard about Malmedy.  I think the official tactics that are written about were not the ones always used." 其實我看到您分享的資料說傘兵不喜歡BAR時挺懷疑,因為他們普遍認為M1919A6作為輕機槍並不勝任

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原帖由 阿毛梵那提 於 2016-11-27 09:10 發表


另外,在一些論壇留言中看到這樣的說法:"My grandfather was a platoon leader in the 101st airborne.  He told me he would go with a BAR man he trusted and the two of them would scout and sometimes engage the Germans.  He told me he left the other guys behind because they were too noisy and the two of them were the best shots. The two of them captured 17 Germans in Holland and killed two dozen in a similar situation at Bastogne after they heard about Malmedy.  I think the official tactics that are written about were not the ones always used."  
也許我誤會你的意思,但文中沒有提到不喜歡BAR。
紅字提到的是他把其他人拋下因為他們太吵雜了,而且他與那個BAR射手的準度是最好的。
Qui audet adipiscitur - "He who dares, wins"

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原帖由 okjim 於 2016-12-1 13:40 發表


也許我誤會你的意思,但文中沒有提到不喜歡BAR。
應該說沒有提到喜歡或不喜歡BAR。
Qui audet adipiscitur - "He who dares, wins"

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原帖由 okjim 於 2016-12-1 13:42 發表


應該說沒有提到喜歡或不喜歡BAR。
Hi! 我是指一樓分享的資料中提到第三段"Personally i dont like the BAR. Which is why my mod is going towards the Airborne. Their loadout was very good. They refused to use the BAR because they needed more firepower and felt it lacked it. "

您從我的回覆所引述的那段是我先前看過的其他資料,我認為與一樓文中提到的
"...They refused to use BAR..."有所出入

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