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購入 Glock 17 Gen3

經過將近四年的時間,在取得綠卡一個禮拜後進了槍店,買了第一把槍。

在加州拜越來越嚴苛的槍枝法律,所以沒啥新式的半自動手槍可以選;
考量到維修較簡單、零件取得容易、準確耐用,1911系列先放一邊,Glock 17 gen3是我的選擇。
Turner’s 最近有 G17 OD Green的折扣,跟原價相比省了50鎂,所以趕在6月底買了這把。
(因為七月一日開始,若之前沒有購槍紀錄,購買子彈要做 background check,費用約19鎂;
但若在7/1前有購槍紀錄,背景調查只要1鎂,感謝加州德政。)

槍預計後天可以拿,目前已經買好 TruGlo TFX Pro 等著放上G17,
http://www.truglo.com/firearms-h ... -handgun-sights.asp
槍身部分頂多放上加長的 mag release跟 Slide release,
目前不會去動trigger set,畢竟他是我目前唯一的槍,還需要擔負家防的責任。

不知道有沒有其他人購買改裝廠出的 complete G17/G34 upper? Ex: Zev, Glockstore⋯⋯
想聽聽大家的推薦~
有點想買一個額外的 complete upper,好看之外也想試試看射擊時有無不同。
平時在家就是搭配原廠 upper,去靶場玩的時候可以快速換上改裝的Upper,當Gucci Glock

[ 本帖最後由 jen0414 於 2019-7-8 06:33 編輯 ]

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期待美圖分享

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Glockstore 的 Complete Upper,很簡單的款式...


TruGlo TFX PRO


TruGlo TFX PRO


今天去一拿到槍就去靶場噴了150發子彈,期間順便測試原廠 upper與改裝廠 upper的不同,
原廠 upper在 7碼立姿 5發子彈,group約在 2~3 inch,
但一換上改裝 upper,立馬變成7~8 inch grouping.....

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Very nice.  We (and most surrounding agencies) just switched to Glock 17 as uniformed duty weapons.  Too bad you are only able to buy Gen 3's in California.  I see you chose to install the extended magazine release -- nice.  

As for Glock Store vs Zev modifications - if this is your home defense weapon, I suggest you leave it factory stock (other than night sights, of course) for liability reasons.  If this is a range toy, full Zev modifications are awesome.  Get the full package, including the stippling and trigger job, if you want to go Zev.

Oh, and just some friendly advices - make sure you know California firearm laws in excruciating details - possession, transport, storage... etc.  And know what to say to police officers if you are ever stopped with a gun in your car.  

Keep in mind that a green card is NOT a shield or amulet against criminal deportation.  If you are convicted of a firearm related felony, a green card will not protect you because you are still an alien.  You will be treated no differently than any other non-immigrant alien and be deported/excluded.  Yes, California is a sanctuary state. But it's also a very anti-gun state.  And technically, under California law, non-US citizens cannot transport handguns outside of one's home -- meaning, technically, under California law, you cannot take your gun outside of your house, not even one single step.  Granted, this is very rarely enforced, but if you piss off a police officer, he/she may just choose to enforce it on you.  And violation of this law can be a deportable felony.


非常好。我們(和大多數周邊機構)剛剛換 Glock 17 作為穿制服的武器。 可惜在加州你只能購買 Gen 3's。 我看到你選擇安裝加長的 mag release - 很好。

至於 Glock Store vs Zev 的修改 - 如果這是你的家庭防禦武器,我建議你出於責任原因不要改原廠(當然不包括 night sights)。如果這是一個靶場玩具,完整的 Zev 修改是很棒的。如果你想去 Zev,完整修改,包括點 stippling 和 trigger job。

哦,還有一些友好的建議 - 確保你知道加州的火器法律令人難以忍受的細節 - 擁有,運輸,儲存......等等。 如果你槍在車裡時被欄交通違規,知道該怎麼跟警察說。

請記住,綠卡不是防止刑事驅逐出境的盾牌或護身符。如果你被判犯有與槍支有關的重罪,綠卡將無法保護你,因為你仍然是外國人。你將被視為與任何其他非移民外國人沒有區別,你一樣會被驅逐出境/終身不能入境。 是的,加州是一個 sanctuary state。但它也是一個非常反槍的州。 從技術上講,根據加州的法律,非美國公民不能在家外運輸手槍 - 從技術上講,根據加州的法律,你不能把槍拿到家外,槍甚至不能離開你的家一步。 當然,這很少被強制執行,但如果你惹惱警察,他/她可能會選擇對你強制執行。 違反這項法律可能是一種可以被驅逐的重罪。

[ 本帖最後由 Code3Cover 於 2019-7-11 19:21 編輯 ]
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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Thanks code3Cover... your advice is truly important to me.

One police office I met in the gun shop told me, that recently, County Sheriff is issuing CCL.
It starts this year, the County Sheriff is actually encourage gun owner to apply it.
Of course, you should have a solid reason to do so.

If I apply the CCL, and it's approved. Will this license help?
For example, While driving to shooting range, and I keep my pistol unloaded, and locked in the trunk.
A police Office pull me over while driving to range.
Even though I'm not a citizen, but the gun is legally purchased, and I have a CCL with me.
Will I still have trouble under this situation?

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原帖由 jen0414 於 2019-7-12 01:27 發表
Thanks code3Cover... your advice is truly important to me.

One police office I met in the gun shop told me, that recently, County Sheriff is issuing CCL.
It starts this year, the County Sheriff is ac ...
I assume you live in Riverside county.  
Yes, a CCW will solve your problem with car transport.
However, CCW can create its own problems.  If you do decide to apply for a CCW and are approved, here are a few things to remember -

1) Understand details of CCW exemptions - The way California laws work is, a bunch of laws directly prohibit carrying of firearms in various places in public. Within those laws, exemptions are provided for CCW holders in some of them (not all of them). So, you must understand in detail what those exemptions are.  Otherwise, a mistake will result in illegal carrying of a firearm, which can become a felony in many situations.  And a felony for you means deportation.  

2) Understand California self-defense and use of force laws.  This is generally one of the most difficult subject in police academy because California laws are complex.  Even if you follow the laws, if you use the gun in self defense, you will most likely be arrested regardless if you acted in true legal self defense.  Self-defense is an "affirmative defense" in court - meaning, the burden of prove is on you to prove that you acted in self-defense.  So, this means you will be treated as a suspect by the criminal justice system.  Even if the district attorney dec禁用字s to prosecute, you will have an arrest record that is visible to immigration when you apply for citizenship.  

3) If you ever use the gun in self-defense, you will most likely be sued civilly.  Your homeowners insurance most likely will not cover this.  So make sure you have access to a good lawyer.  This can get really expensive, six-figure expensive.

4) If you are granted CCW, your CCW status is public information.  Police officers checking your license plate will know you have a CCW.  Not all police officers are CCW friendly.  You may attract special attention during a traffic stop, especially in places like LA county or San Francisco. This can become really problematic if your English is not fluent enough to have a conversation with the police officer.  

Most people with CCW's don't really understand the legal consequences of self-defense until its too late.  In your case, that legal consequence can include deportation and lifetime exclusion.  So be really, really careful and think carefully before carrying a gun in California.   

我假設你住在 Riverside county。
是的,CCW 將解決你的汽車運輸問題。
但是,CCW 可以創造自己的問題。如果你決定申請 CCW 並獲得批准,請記住以下幾點 -

1)了解 CCW 法律豁免的細節 - 加州法律的工作方式是,一大堆法律不同直接禁止在公共場所的各個地方攜帶槍支。在這些法律中,有些(不是全部)為 CCW 持有人提供豁免。所以,你必須詳細了解這些豁免是什麼。否則,錯誤將導致非法攜帶槍支,這可能在許多事件中成為重罪。對你來說重罪意味著被驅逐出境。

2)了解加州的自衛和使用武力法。這通常是警察學院最難的課程之一,因為加州的法律很複雜。即使你遵守法律,如果你使用槍支進行自我防衛,你很可能會被捕,無論你是否採取了真正的合法自衛行動。在法庭上,自衛是一種“肯定的辯護” - 這意味著證明責任在你身上。因此,這意味著你將被刑事司法系統視為嫌疑人, 所以你會先被捕。即使地區檢察官拒絕起訴,當你申請公民身份時,你的逮捕記錄是移民局可見的。

3)如果你使用槍支進行自衛,你很可能會被民事起訴。你的房主保險很可能不會涵蓋這一點。因此,請確保你有良好的律師。這可能會非常昂貴,六位數昂貴。

4)如果你被授予 CCW,你的 CCW 是公共信息。檢查你的車牌的警察會知道你有 CCW。並非所有警察都是 CCW 友好的。在被欄交通違規時,你可能會得到警察的 "特別關注",特別是在洛杉磯縣或舊金山等地。 如果你的英語不流利,那將特別困難。(從前有一位舊金山警察試圖告訴我,我的警察徽章下班時間在舊金山 "無效"......是的,他錯了,但這很麻煩)。

大多數擁有 CCW 的人都不太了解自衛的法律後果,直到為時已晚。在你的情況,該法律後果可能包括驅逐出境和終身不能入境。因此,在加州持槍之前,請務必小心謹慎。
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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恭喜樓主購入新槍,另外想請教,一般合法的手槍玩家是否會想要安裝消音管呢?如果先撇開消音器在各州法律上的合法性,是會比較想安裝嗎?在真槍使用上目前看到的除了聲音與火光能確實減少外好像缺點比較多

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If you are granted CCW, your CCW status is public information.
蠻訝異CCW是公開的, 估計只有少數幾州  
查了一下  Nevada 全都露
https://www.rcfp.org/journals/chart-gun-permit-data-acces/

加州連重刑犯都不想給ICE了
若非公民因車上有槍而被定罪遣返
只顯得反槍政客的雙重標準
不過這也不是新鮮事
NYC就擺明要玩你
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xs_jrnmwoU
Newsoar

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原帖由 newsoar 於 2019-7-12 12:48 發表


蠻訝異CCW是公開的, 估計只有少數幾州  
查了一下  Nevada 全都露
https://www.rcfp.org/journals/chart-gun-permit-data-acces/

加州連重刑犯都不想給ICE了
若非公民因車上有槍而被定罪遣返
只顯得反槍政客的 ...
CCW's are exceedingly rare in California.  Most California police officers will not ever encounter a CCW holder during their career.  Most California police officers are not very familiar with CCW laws in California.  

CCW 在加州非常罕見。 大多數加州警察在職業生涯中都不會遇到 CCW 持有人。 大多數加州警察對加州的 CCW 法律並不十分熟悉。
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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我以前買的 Glock 19 怎沒附贈勞力士?  

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原帖由 MikeH 於 2019-8-10 02:57 發表
我以前買的 Glock 19 怎沒附贈勞力士?  
Only Blue Label Glocks come with extras....  
我妻子常說:  槍就像避孕套 --  寧願是有它而不需要它,不要是需要它而沒有它。

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